Speaker 1 (00:00:03):
All right, well, hello everyone out there in YouTube land. We are here together with some amazing friends of mine that I couldn’t thank God more for and what they mean for me in my life. But again, I’m Rhonda k Ves and I’m here in NASA Bay. I have a couple of different locations. I have one in Conroe, Texas, one in Missouri City, Texas, and we just landed our next location in the Galleria area in Houston, Texas. So it’s very exciting to see the growth that is happening here with Illuminated Pathways and what he’s doing with us. But the beautiful part about that new location is Dr. Angelina. Ella and I are back together working together in this new location and I’m super stoked about that. But in the meantime, we have wonderful services here with Illuminated Pathways family Therapy, and we’ll give you a little bit more information about what’s going on.
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But today we’re going to be talking about Faith, professional counseling, Texas legislation and the future of mental health here in the Texas wonderful Texas lone star state. We’re going to just learn a little bit about really what’s all at stake and the remnant. I believe the three of us right here are a remnant and we are fighting for the righteousness for our children. And really God has put us in a place that I don’t think either one of us knew it was going to happen, but it is happening and we’re super excited about it. So let me introduce to you, Kathleen, and then Kathleen, you’ll introduce our next suite friend. So go ahead and say a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:01:29):
Well, I’m Kathleen Mills. I’m a licensed professional counselor supervisor. I have a group practice in Frisco Life Tree Counseling Center. I’m also a certified integrated mental health practitioner and also a certified acoustical therapist, practitioner and co-creator of the Association for mental health professionals.org.
Speaker 1 (00:01:53):
All right. So Ms. Rebecca?
Speaker 3 (00:01:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:01:56):
Tell us a little bit about you.
Speaker 3 (00:01:58):
I am a licensed professional counselor and supervisor. I have a private practice also here in Conroe, Texas Counseling Center in Montgomery County, and a nonprofit serving foster youth that live in orphanages or modern day orphanages and aged out foster youth and people that are experiencing homelessness called Love Hills Youth. And I’m on multiple boards. I’m blessed and I do not even take a salary for being the CEO of Love Hills Youth. And we’re so glad to have you here in Conroe, Rhonda, because it’s a wonderful community. Montgomery County is really amazing. They step up and really take care of the people in the community. So welcome to Montgomery County.
Speaker 1 (00:02:38):
Yeah, thank you so much. It’s a pleasure to be there. So I am super excited because every single one of us that’s on this call today, we are actually supervisors with the state of Texas where we take in these wonderful associates who have done all the requirements that they need to become fully licensed. But in the process of that, we have learned that there’s a lot of unlearning we have to do and reteaching just based on the last six years that has plagued our country. And so from the educational pieces and different things like that. So I just really wanted to take the time to say thank you very much for coming. And I just want to say we’re going to talk a little bit about just kind of what’s at stake. So many people are searching for the best Christian counseling Texas has to offer, and today we’ll discuss what excellence and Christian counseling really means. So the prompts of things that we might kind of talk about today, and I just would say I’ll go off with Rebecca first here. What makes Christian counseling unique with what we are doing today?
Speaker 3 (00:03:53):
Well, so actually it makes me giggle because we’re going back to the beginning of the mental health field. Psychology is actually the study of the soul and the best guidance you can get for your mental health and being well-rounded, it’s going to be found in the Bible. So it’s time for us to get back to our roots. And when we have counselors that can also be aligned with the guidance of the word, it’s going to be based in love and then in words that are going to produce results. We know in Isaiah 55 11 that God’s word does produce results, good results. And so I think it’s time for more counselors to be willing to incorporate that. Unfortunately, what’s happening in higher ed right now is a lot of shaming for Christians and Christian values and saying that it’s unethical to even pray with a client. The field’s lost its way, but there’s plenty of people in the field that are going to help it get back on course.
Speaker 1 (00:04:52):
So Kathleen, integrating faith with evidence-based therapy. What say you about that? Is there any ethical issues for having Christian counseling? You’re pretty much my go-to person here, so what is that? Well,
Speaker 2 (00:05:06):
Not for me personally. I mean, we do have the First Amendment as per the US Constitution. So let that help you determine your spiritual guidance and you may use your faith and the evidence that support exactly what Rebecca said, the deep rooted spiritual piece of the puzzle that we really need to focus in on. And I do agree with Rebecca that the counseling field overall, probably in the last 10 years, it’s been in the pipeline the whole time, but the 10 years you could see a rapid progression of actually just snuffing out the spiritual or the soul of the actual person. And it’s kind of morphed into just affirming the trauma and keeping everybody victimized by hard times and biblically. And all the stories in the Bible were about how people weathered the storm and how their faith was challenged and also enriched by having to go through those storms and come out grateful and blessed and more spiritually fulfilled. So I think our profession has lost its way in that regard. And if you leave that out of the equation, in my mind there’s not a wellness recovery path.
Speaker 1 (00:06:51):
I agree. And that’s something too, I’ll just kind of piggyback on both of those things that you both have just shared. The one thing that I really am thankful for is God made it very clear what kind of a practice I’m going to have.
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There is not one person that can work in this place that’s not a Christian. And so he’s even had to teach me how to interview because you just can’t ask those questions based on the federal law. So can’t ask, are you a Christian? Right? So I just write this beautiful mission statement that God gave me and then I hand that to them. The very first thing I do is I hand that to them and say, is this something you can do or do you have a problem with this? And so if they have a problem with it, we don’t waste each other’s time, they walk out the door. And if they can do that and they can then express it a little bit more and we talk about it, that’s how I get around that. So it’s really been beautiful. So I found that even with my attorney, she said, this is good.
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This is clever. So I was like, yes, thank you. So everyone that works for me is definitely a Christ follower, not just the word Christian. That means its own different things sometimes. And so everyone that is here loves Jesus. What I’ve also found is that those that are coming to interview, I’ve actually had people cry in the interview and I’m like, are you okay? And they’re like, I just can’t believe I can be a Christian and do practice at the same time. It’s just so like, oh my gosh, of course this is what we do here. This is what we’re all about, but it’s going to be a standard. I’m going to hold you to it. This should be happening. Of course, we’re going to meet people where they are for sure, but however, you can’t take half of you out of the equation and leave you in the hallway while you come into a room and then you’re trying to do therapy with half of you.
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And I said, so why would you want to do that? And they’re like, well, that’s what I keep thinking. And so in these interviews, they’re so happy because they’re told also many times, as you both are well aware, I can go through so many interviews and many of them are saying to me, I didn’t know we could do Christian counseling. We were told in school it couldn’t happen. I’m like, well, as long as I know the law is still the law, law of the land. We are a Christian nation First Amendment. Nobody’s shutting my door. I’ve been doing it for 11 and a half years. So they’re like, whoa. So they’re pretty amazed. So I think that that’s pretty important. So with that being said, as a supervisor of the state, I also really incorporate supervision into that way too. Not only are we teaching them the things that matter to their license into their clientele that they’re seeing, but to them.
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So if you’re not your authentic self in your session, then you’re probably not really authentic with me in supervision. And so we kind of talk about that. So it’s really important for them to feel that getting comfortable in their skin, knowing that this really can happen, that they can do Christian counseling, they can do these things. We’re not pushing it, we’re not showing it, we’re not doing conversion therapy, all those things that are kind of being said, but I’m really excited about what God is doing in each of our lives. And I think through that process, I think I actually learned about you, Rebecca at Grace Woodlands, and then I met you, and then we kind of started hitting the trail a little bit in our own ways, but together even at times. And so I love that part too, especially. And then I always tell Kathleen I was stalking her for a year or two before I actually reached out. And that’s actually very true, by the way. But anyway, so let’s kind of get into some hot topics just a little bit here.
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Clients often ask where they can find the best Christian counseling Texas has to offer. Ultimately, it’s about integrity, competency and on compassionate care. And with that, let’s move on into what does that mean? Can we still can be compassionate and have integrity and be competent knowing that we have the laws to follow? So legislation in Texas passed a couple of bills. One was very much Mays Middleton, our senator for the state who’s running for Attorney General. He helped author SB 14, and then SB 12 was also passed a couple years later. But they are both officially, we are considered healthcare providers here in the state of Texas. So what does that mean for us? So
Speaker 3 (00:11:24):
I think take a step back and clarify because bills are named the same thing, legislation year after year. So SD 14 is the no more medical interventions by any healthcare provider who could potentially facilitate or issue the treatments. And so that was in the 88th legislative session. And then I believe you’re talking about SB 12, which was the parental rights, correct. That was passed this last legislative session in the 89th session.
Speaker 1 (00:11:56):
So I was just going to actually ask for you to overview those two things because these seem to be the hot topics within what’s going on in our counseling field. And so essentially SB 14 is any type of surgeries of any kind, facilitation whatsoever is happening, or puberty blockers, whatever. What else can you share, Rebecca, with the audience about really what this law was for to protect children or
Speaker 3 (00:12:28):
Minors? Right. So SB 14, they wrote that to stop any type of medical intervention, whether that’s a prescription, a surgery, anything for minors that would cause them to have some type of sex rejecting treatment. So transitioning into trying to transition their gender from male to female or vice versa. And the bill is written out that includes any licensure in the state of Texas that’s in the healthcare field is prohibited from facilitating. And that means even the healthcare providers that are not truly medical, they’re behavioral that would potentially facilitate. And we know that mental health providers are the quote gatekeepers because they’re the ones writing the letters that are required in order to progress into a medical intervention. And so many of the providers in the mental health field decided to create a loophole and say that they’re not healthcare providers, however, they’re still billing Medicaid.
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So they are healthcare providers. And even in our licensure, it all says that we’re healthcare providers. So we sought out a clarification from the attorney general, and Kathleen was so gracious in making sure that they got a beautiful brief out there. Representative Steve Toth was also very gracious and got a great brief submitted whenever it was requested from the attorney general’s office. And then of course I submitted one as well. And the attorney general opined that in fact, mental health providers are healthcare. And so we would be facilitating because of that letter. And so it is against the law to practice any kind of social transitioning that would facilitate a medical intervention. And our field is still resisting that and claiming that it’s not law, even though it’s already a law. He just gave his opinion on the law. So that’s SB 14 in the 88 session, SB 12 in the 89th session was for parental rights.
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And one of the beautiful things that representative Steve Toth was able to do, we had filed a bill for protecting the vulnerable youth from social transition, and that included everybody. And it was a civil penalty rather than criminal, but that didn’t make it through committee. And so instead, he was able to get an amendment on SB 12, and that prohibits anyone in the educational system, that’s public school or charter school that is a teacher, an administrator, a substitute, a contracted employee. Anybody that would step foot in any type of public funded school is prohibited from practicing any kind of social transitioning. Social transitioning meaning pronouns, the dead naming, encouraging them to change clothes. Any of that stuff is completely prohibited in any public funded school. So right now, the repercussion would be that a parent could file a complaint with TEA. So we’re hoping that with the next legislative session, which would start in January of 2027, we’re going to refile the Vulnerable Youth Protection Act so we can go ahead and carry those consequences so that the victims of this abuse, this gender trafficking, will have recourse as they start to come out of it.
Speaker 1 (00:16:02):
Very good. Very good. Yes, Kathleen, you light my heart up.
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What you do with your organization and how you represent those that are all inside of that with you, you kind of close us in. We’re a really big family for you. And I love that, by the way. And I certainly am thankful for the opportunity where you can actually write a brief or get that to be done in such a way that it represents somebody like me who while I am behind you both trailblazing, I am behind you, but I’m in a behind you, support you cheerlead all the things. But what you did in that brief really taught me and many like me, really what our voice can be. And so tell us a little bit about the passion behind that. Got you to decide that the association was going to step up, knowing that all the other associations would probably not be okay with what you did.
Speaker 2 (00:17:08):
Well, I think it was predicated on why we started the Association for Mental Health Professionals to begin with. And I decided I had had enough of the legacy associations having what I call now famously now by scotus, but a viewpoint discrimination model on every single item of concern, which means that those legacy associations are going to do a viewpoint discrimination, whether it represents their whole members or not. Now I have a problem with that because many of those professionals in those legacy organizations are Christian faith-based counselors that have no idea what these legacy associations are doing in front of them. And these Christian faith-based counselors have no idea because they just pay their money and then they’re fine or whatever. But what they’re doing with the money is something to look at. So we started the amp, I call it AMP for short, because I was finding people, the two of you early on, we don’t have a voice, we don’t have a say.
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And with the BHC model that started in 2019, it gave us permission to go ahead and be a shareholder because I always was kind of upset that the boards were calling legacy association shareholders, but not the individual faith-based provider. So that’s why we started amp. So we faith-based counselors or people who, not even faith-based, they just wanted get our counseling back on track, if you will, our profession back on track. We’ve been captured. We’ve been captured for quite some time. And so I had had enough. So basically that a thrust into when Senate Bill 14 came out and I read it, it didn’t include the letter, it didn’t include the letter writing, and I brought that up before the LPC board. Well, what are you going to do with the letter writing the gatekeepers? And none of them had an answer for that because if Texas is banning gender affirming care for minors, we are writing the letter to facilitate the next level of treatment.
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So they couldn’t do anything because they didn’t know. So the reason why we wrote the brief, we hired a legal attorney and we met with them for hours to get all of the things that I wanted them to include in the brief because we are healthcare providers, we are the gatekeepers for gender affirming care, whether you’re 18 or 12 with the letter as per the standards of care with wpath, which I could talk about that forever with the Federal Trade Commission who is suing WPATH for negligence on all levels. But so we wrote the brief and then it just kind of gave us more confidence that maybe we’re doing something good for our profession who doesn’t have a voice.
Speaker 1 (00:20:48):
So when you and I had that conversation about the letter writing, I was really holding events in my home that whole year leading up to the election. And I had Senator Mays Middleton in my home a couple of times, and we talked, I meet him different places or whatever, run into him or have phone call conversations, Hey, what about the letter writing? And he said, it’s included. I said, it’s not included. And I said, well, maybe the way you feel it was written that everything would be included. But he said, I said, when you decided to kind of lay it out like medical surgeons, nurses, and then you probably shouldn’t have laid all that out. You should have just left it as healthcare providers and left it there. And he goes, well, it should be assumed. No, at that point you just aligned which one. So we just need clarification. And so that put me on the run with that with you. And then that’s how I got in touch with, I learned about Rebecca all around the same time. And so he was shocked that he realized that this has become an issue. I wasn’t letting the dog die, if you will.
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I’m going to go to you every time. Help me out here. And then that’s when we learned that we had to do some sort of different things. And so thankfully through all that, then our executive director of BHC decided to do something that initially he didn’t want to do. But I’m so proud that he did because it really helps the rest of us to kind of know that even when it’s probably not a healthy feeling conversation, it still needed to happen. And you approached it and you did it, and we got the results that we really feel that even for Senator Mays, he was in agreement. This is really what this was supposed to mean. I said, but you can understand why we had to do the opining. And he’s like, yeah. So I think we’re excited about the results of that,
Speaker 3 (00:22:39):
But
Speaker 1 (00:22:40):
In the process of all that, we’re still getting some backlash where we’re seeing it, I don’t really care. And they can do all the backlash they want. And I kind of stand in Rebecca’s shadow for that too. Come on, let’s go. So I think, and so that’s kind of like we kind of do become arrogant a little bit, but still kind and compassionate. But yeah, come on, let’s do this because I got the law on my side, and so try to take it down because I’m, I’m not going to be stupid about things, but at the same time,
Speaker 3 (00:23:11):
I
Speaker 1 (00:23:11):
Don’t want somebody to bully me. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (00:23:14):
Well, I think it was very much validating whenever we got the clarification that this is actually included in the law, which Senator Middleton obviously already knew, but he’s looking at these legislative pieces as though people are going to have common sense. And I think many people don’t realize that majority of mental health professionals are lacking in that department. And so that’s the struggle. And how many times I’ve watched the Bates on the floor of the house or the Senate and they’re talking about these really controversial topics and saying, well, these kids need to go talk to a therapist. Well, I don’t disagree, but the problem is that majority of therapists are aligned with this gender affirming care. And so until we correct the corruption within the mental health field, I wouldn’t be comfortable just going to anybody. And then that reads right back to the podcast where you’re talking about finding the Christian counselor, the best Christian counselor that Texas has to offer and the parents need to know, or the schools, anyone that wants to make sure that the kids are put on the correct path for finding help with mental health, they’ve got to know how to vet ’em out.
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The schools need to know. So we have a website to help with that vetting grassroots therapist.com, but we need to all collectively be pushing out that information for parents to be able to access because they don’t know what they don’t know, but they certainly on how to vet out a mental health professional. My one clue is when you walk into an office and it says, this is a safe space with a rainbow. I’m not saying that there’s anything, I want everybody to feel like they have a safe space. Those are alienating statements that is saying that if I don’t have a rainbow and say this is a safe space, then I’m not safe. And so alienating behaviors are my specialty. That’s what I’ve worked with and do trainings around the nation for. But that right there just excluded anyone else that has an office or an opportunity to work with kids. They’re going to secret things from the parents, whereas we’re going to work with the whole family dynamic because the family dynamic is the most important. Being a parent is a God-given, right? To be the one to oversee the upbringing of your child. You’ve been anointed to care for that blessing that God gave you. And it’s in our 14th amendment in the Constitution that it’s our due process as a parent to raise our children the way that we see fit. Right?
Speaker 2 (00:25:59):
Well, I think the parents have over time have lost the ability to parent due to a lot of things, but it’s time for the parents to really understand that the viewpoint discrimination and the silencing of parenting via ISD schools and so forth and so on is now null and void. And so taking care of the parents and educating them is, I couldn’t agree with you more, Rebecca. That’s the big gap here. And so my whole thing, at least up here where I am is my website is fairly bold. And so you get to have that. Now I’m going to segue just a little bit. Let the child Salazar SCOTUS decision free you from your worry counselor and parents, please vet your counselor. And just like Rebecca said, those are code words for the viewpoint discrimination and the ideology and affirming something that’s not natural. So be very, very picky. Even school counselors,
Speaker 1 (00:27:23):
At the beginning of the school year in August, I had a few school counselors at ISD reach out to me because the law had the SB 12 and the 89th legislation had passed. And so they were asking me about the stickers on the windows, these rainbow stickers, safe space. So oh, those should come down because then they’d say, well, what’s the danger? And I said, well, are you safe? Well, yeah, I’m safe. Do you hold a safe space in when you have a client in there with you? Well, yeah, but that sticker is saying that you’re not. They are.
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The light just goes off for them. And I said, well, besides, it’s kind of facilitating, so it’s still part of facilitation. So they’re going to go in, they’re going to hear some of this stuff. And so now we got a couple of different laws in place that you’re kind of letting them participate. And so if you’re ahead of this particular person was ahead of the actual department, I said, so C-C-I-S-D is like, oh my gosh, the worst. I feel like it’s the worst district. I mean, I’m sure it’s not, but oh my gosh, it’s insane. It’s just insane. And so we still have a lot of teaching to do, but I’m super thankful because University of Houston, clear Lake area, I get a lot of students that want to use my place for site for their hours for graduation. So I get to kind of help train them up and be in good counselors. And I feel like God’s really put me in that area for that too. And so that idea too that they get to kind of hear. And so when sometimes they’re on our Wednesday morning mastermind and they’re listening and they’re going,
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Had no idea, that’s not taught at all. Well, yeah, well, welcome to the real world because this is how it really goes. So I think it’s really great. I’m super thankful for the idea of you going across not just our state, but the nation to help train what these things are. But that might be something pretty cool to maybe put a CE together, Rebecca, about that, where we can actually make that a training. If you haven’t done that, I mean, I definitely would have you here. I would invite you in even if it’s like this, so that all of the people who work for me hear you loud and clear about what the laws say. And I think they hear it enough, but not in the way that you very much are. I think you’re going to be in office one day. I think you’re God’s going to use you. No, I know. But I really believe that something there, God’s got great plans for you and he put you in our life. There’s a lot of things that you’re doing, whatever that might be, but there is a lot that you offer and I’m very thankful for that and that you take the time out of your day today to share some of that with us today and with the audience out there listening.
Speaker 3 (00:30:11):
Well, thank you. That’s very kind. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to leave my house now because my head’s going to be so big. But no, I love being able to help clarify things. I do have some trainings put together, and so I’d be more than happy to come and share that anytime.
Speaker 1 (00:30:27):
Wonderful. That’s awesome. Well, moving on into the next section, which is probably one of my favorites. I remember while I was stalking Ms. Kathleen for a couple of years, it had been because of I was the nice stalker ever. Huh?
Speaker 2 (00:30:42):
You were the nicest stalker ever. I had no clue.
Speaker 1 (00:30:47):
Anyway, so I just wanted to learn who this person was, could I trust her, could because some serious things that had happened to me with my own situation, with my license. And so I thought, well, it sounds kind of good. Is it too good to be true? And it’s more, it’s lovely. It’s a beautiful thing. And I’m super grateful and I’m glad to call her friend, but she started this association called the Association of Mental Health Professionals. And I remember, I don’t know, I think I was one of the first 50. I’m going to say that for sure. I was one of the first 50 that signed up for the association. I think I’m less than that even though. But anyway, I had been looking at her for a while and when she did that and then she did the conference, I was like, oh my gosh, I know that person. I know that I’ve been at these different Freedom Doctor conferences with Dr. Ferla. I’ve been all over the different places in the country to do these, and I’ve actually spoke at some of ’em and I’m like, oh my goodness, she’s got some of my people that are going to be at this thing and pumped up.
Speaker 3 (00:31:52):
So
Speaker 1 (00:31:53):
What is it that got you, first of all, why this conference or why this organization, then the conference? Because I know that many of these other things will just line out that are those actual talking points that I’ve sent to you guys, but why did you do this?
Speaker 2 (00:32:13):
Well, like I said before, Rhonda, we started the Association for Mental Health Professionals because there were so many voices that were not being heard, actually trashed and threatened and blacklisted and the whole thing. And I had had it, and I’m at the age where I really don’t care what happens to me because it just doesn’t matter, just rolls off my back. And that’s a journey for another podcast. But anyways, I was tired of just assuming that the legacy associations, and I just saw our counseling field suffering on so many levels, especially when it comes to faith-based counselors who aren’t really integrating a more holistic mind-body spirit approach because they’ve been bludgeoned to death with the Viewpoint discrimination model from ces, their legacy associations that they belong to academia, nothing. There was no pocket. And so COVID really affected me greatly with this whole idea of, well, first of all, I’m not a big pharma fan.
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And for sure the C thing just kind of ratcheted that up. So our conferences are designed with a holistic vibe, if you will, really focusing on mind, body, spirit and also teaching mental health professionals other modalities to avoid giving your client another pill for just the sake of symptom reduction. So that’s our niche, if you will. And for some counselors, they’ve never heard this anywhere. And it’s by design, because we’re all in the allopathic big pharma cesspool because we are trained that way and we don’t know any other way to help our clients. And the last piece of the puzzle, at least for me, was I am seeing a lot of vaccine injured mental illnesses walk in my door from the jabs, and it’s upsetting, and they don’t even know that. And none of our profession has been ever talking about the COVID vaccines as it pertains to mental health or mental illness or whatever. And I was stunned. Well, I’m not surprised, but I’m stunned that none of the legacy associations would talk about that at all. It’s like it never happened. It’s like we just knew
Speaker 3 (00:34:53):
They’re still pushing them,
Speaker 2 (00:34:55):
They really are. And I had a client a couple of weeks ago, and one of the questions I asked in the first session is, did you have the jab? And he said, yes. I said, how many of the other boosters? He’s at six. Then the issues that he is having emotionally, physically, and all that is because of the jabs. We have to educate mental health professionals. I also think, Rebecca, this is something for us to think about too. This whole gender ideology for children is also vaccine driven too. You’re seeing vaccine injured children and then they’re putting this gender ideology on top of it, and then it’s going horribly wrong with permanence effects for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (00:35:50):
Well, I think this is where we need to really help push the MAHA movement and the reduction of vaccines. And I’ll be honest, I had no idea how bad the vaccines are because they push it in the pediatrician’s offices. And so I followed the schedule up until a few years ago, and of course now my kids are not going to be getting any additional vaccines, but I didn’t know, but why would I? Because you go to the people that you trust and they’re at a position of power and they’re telling you, oh no, you need to do these not knowing that you had some recourse there or parental rights to decline. But there are plenty of pediatrician offices that I know, friends of mine that are not, they’ve been kicked out fired as a patient because they want to allow their kids to get vaccines. So that’s another piece that’s really important is helping families to be able to identify pediatricians that don’t push vaccines and won’t fire you as a patient.
Speaker 1 (00:36:53):
So that’s one of the reasons why I joined up with Dr. Ella is some of the things that I heard her talk about. So she’s a wonderful pediatrician, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Assigned her, appointed her to help reduce the vaccine schedule. So she’s part of the cleanup job.
Speaker 3 (00:37:09):
So
Speaker 1 (00:37:09):
I’m really excited about that. They are out there, and even in that idea, even doctors who refuse to give them, they were like the A MA was going to remove their license or remove their status from hospitals or services that they could do or shut their door. I think that she’s had many of that uphill battle, but she’s going to die on the hill. She’ll keep doing all the things. So part of the maha, and when she met Kennedy Jr. At first she was like, well, just kind of like everybody else, he was the one really talking about the vaccine schedule. And so I think kind of talking about the injuries and the different things. And so once she learned that, wow, there’s a lot of evidence here, she kind of realized that. And I think, again, like her in the education system, it goes back to the education system. That’s all they teach about in the medical indoctrination, indoctrination about why these vaccines are like, what do you do? I mean, babies are getting stuff before they’re even handed to their mother. Is it hepatitis C that they’re giving? Or hepatitis B that I think has to do with if you’re sexually active in life that you can get this disease and they’re giving it to a baby before they’re even handing ’em to the mother
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From the moment. So I mean, it’s insane. But yeah, so that’s going back to AMP and realizing the excitement that when I was there, I remember where I was sitting actually in that very first room, and I would look around and I wanted to see how many people you were red pilling, how many people were being red pilled, because there was a lot of information that I knew going into that. And I don’t know that you knew me yet fully that I then learned that you knew all that information. I’m like, okay, she’s my sister. I love her. That whole idea. But there was a lot of learning that took place in that very first amp. Give a little idea of what that was like for you to see that for yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:39:13):
Well, I think I’m just going to go back to another reason why we started AMP is because my goal is to bridge the gap between the medical community and the counselor. We need to combine the Ellas and the Rebeccas who look at the mental illness in a holistic approach. So that is my goal, is to bridge the gap, at least in our fourth annual. But to go back to the first conference, like I said, it’s like, well, we have nothing to lose other than money with putting on the conference, so why not just go big? And so we got Dr. Peter McCullough, we got my girl, Dr. Lee Merritt and a couple of other people, Dr. Brian Proctor, who was also silenced during COVID and really did a lot of red pilling for counselors. But it was at that point where we needed to wake up and figure out what was happening and nobody was talking about it. So that was the thrust. So since the first conference, then it just kind of morphed into the second conference of mind, body, spirit. We’re still red pilling a whole lot of people. The second conference was probably more of a bigger red pill than the first one, the third one last year, not so much. People are starting to wake up and we’re starting to get connected and we’re feeling more validated and community oriented, right? MINDBODY spirit and that
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This year we’re just going to keep taking it to that level of marrying those doctors that were thrown to the curb who was questioning and how dare you question fauci and all that. And who are you counselors that you just need to do what we tell you to do? No, it is different game now. And so empowerment for knowledge, learning a different way to treat, because we have to can’t stay. We were seven years ago, we can’t, we’re losing the actual human. And I’m just going to go right and talk about you are looking at transhumanism before your eyes with the gender affirming care, the cyborg, the whole manipulation of the bioengineering with just about everything that you can come in contact with. Counselors need to be prepared because they need to know what they’re looking at. And so when you say gender affirming care, this is the Trojan horse for transhumanism. You’re looking at it right now. I can go to pages of counselors who are mullock inspired. If you know Mooch, that was the God of child sacrifice, and these counselors mimic that. I’m a man up down, but a woman up and I’ve got a beard and makeup and all this. You are looking at transhumanism in our profession right now
Speaker 1 (00:42:51):
For sure,
Speaker 2 (00:42:52):
Which is a story concept, especially depending on who your audience is. That’s why you need to vet your counselor.
Speaker 1 (00:43:00):
I remember when I joined with Dr. Far in 2021, the first time I was in, I rented space out of her office for a couple of years before I began to expand. And I remember asking her, Dr. Ella, these vaccines, these jabs that are happening, we’re going to see something really bad in a couple of years, aren’t we? And do you think everybody’s ready for that? And now I look at it going, okay, now we got this transhumanism, it’s going to be really bad. And it’s not just a couple of years. It’s like right now it’s really bad. And so I think those that can be awakened are awakened. And I think that we need to be patient and really pray the Lord God doesn’t wish that he shall perish and not receive heaven, that he wants everyone to join him in heaven and be a follower of him.
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And I think that we really, this is where getting on our knees, if you will, and praying for all humanity, it’s heartbreaking. You really want everybody to understand this is dangerous. What we’re dealing with is very dangerous, and we are really, that mullock is just the top of the iceberg. The rest of it is just horrendous and wicked super, super wicked. And the idea that we would want to do that to children anyway. But the idea of just now, and I won’t go into details with it, but just now, there’s a new actual study that came out that you and I probably already knew, but in the jab are these things that line up and then they’re kind of being used for the whole transhumanism and then the 5G, and then they’re trying to go to 10 G and all the other stuff. So there’s actual new one that came out that came through the mainstream media, if you will, versus the people we would normally listen to.
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I was like, oh, that’s old news for me. But anyway, so one of the things that I can say is that the conference that’s coming up is October 1st and second. And I would say, you need to get in touch because this is, and I going to say too, clinicians, yes, you should go physicians, yes, you should go. Why? Because you’re going to learn something, right? But I would say gal laity not in either one of those fields. If you really want to know what’s really happening, you probably should find a ticket and get yourself there because you’re going to learn some things that they’ve been lying to us about for a long time. In this case, conferences help clinicians continue providing the best Christian counseling Texas has to offer. And so that’s one of the ways we get to do that because it gives us our voice, it helps us find where we get to stand.
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It gets us to the place where we can actually stand up, stand tall, and realize that who fights for us is Jesus Christ. We don’t have to do it by ourselves. And then we lock arms with each other and we go into what we need to go into and knowing that we’re all supporting one another and knowing that we have each other’s backs for the most part. And so I think that’s really special, and I think that’s one of the reasons why I really am honored to sit in this session with you guys today. For sure. So now we got midterm elections coming up. Lots of different things in mental health. And I know that many, many times I’ve been hearing lately that clinicians shouldn’t be talking about legal political things. And I’m going, oh, my license is at stake. Why should I talk about it? Not that my license is at stake, I’m just saying, but my license, I pay for it. So it’s like, why would I not want to know what’s going on? Why can’t I talk about these things? So here’s where it kind of goes into, so why are so many people all up in arms about all this stuff? Why are they creating such a ruckus with all this?
Speaker 2 (00:47:05):
When you say they, who are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:47:09):
Well, the left of center Peeps,
Speaker 2 (00:47:14):
Therapists,
Speaker 1 (00:47:15):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (00:47:16):
Well, therapists failed to recognize, this is my personal opinion, is that when somebody discounts what is happening by telling, for instance, me on social media, let’s say that you’re politicizing this. No, this has been a political weapon on your side for such a long time. And the first time that now there are people that are pushing back, now you’re telling me this is political. No, your ideology was a political Trojan horse that you were winning and nobody was challenging you. Now people are pushing back and the other side is saying, you’re politicizing our profession. Well, first of all, our profession has been captured for quite some time. It is a political weapon. And so that doesn’t hold water for me anymore, but just recognize that that’s going to happen. You’re going to get that pushback, but just realize that they’re not used to having being pushed back. That’s the only thing that they can say. They cannot have a critical conversation with you.
Speaker 1 (00:48:33):
A lot of times the counselors are affirming everything that’s coming in. So back when, I’m sure you guys have been counselors longer than I have, but we were not to affirm, we were to help facilitate them, make better decisions that they need to make for their own life, but not affirm them into a decision. And so I think that a lot of that is just become social culture, so many of them, because what I’ve heard from other counselors that might not think the way I do in the lining up of what we are talking about today, they say that they felt like they were an outcast and this was the best field for them to go into, so they could be themselves. And I’m going, but you’re kind of still being lied to and you’re okay with it, right? So it’s that idea of who are you counseling yourself in the session?
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I don’t say those things, but I’m thinking it. Right, for sure. But I think there’s many reasons why I have a problem with that for sure. And so when I get a couple, an actual couple in my office, and I hear that a counselor told them, told her when she went to therapy that she should get a divorce because her husband cheated on her. And I said, well, is that what you wanted? Well, no, I’m trying to figure out why you’re in this session with him today because I want to see what kind of counseling you do. I’m like, well, are you okay that? And he’s like, yeah, I’m okay with that. Two year and a half years later, they got remarried.
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I mean, I’m just thinking we do damage if we’re not doing it the right way. And so the idea is we don’t. It’s just crazy how they meaning those that feel they should affirm everything. And so that word affirming and empathy, like, oh my goodness, those two words are so bastardized by me. I just have many opinions about that. But the idea of knowing how we should be conducting ourselves in that room, as you both know, maybe you don’t both know, but I hold my practice out of my home where I live and sleep my head down on a pillow. And I’ve been doing this for about six years now of the 11 and a half years I’ve been in therapy. And out in my front yard is a Trump van sign, and there’s a flag hanging in my front yard, and there’s a magnet of Trump on my front door when you walk out.
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And so there’s crosses in my hallway and on my walls and just different the flag behind me that got me kicked off of Facebook, a Betsy Ross flag back in the day for 90 days, because I couldn’t believe that I had a Betsy Ross flag and talked about it on Facebook. So cancellation is real, but the idea to think that we can’t talk about these things and then try to help families navigate, there’s certain things you don’t talk about. You don’t talk about religion or politics. I’m like, well, the Bible’s two thirds political government. Jesus went to the cross through a political process. What do you mean we can’t talk about this stuff? I just kind of think about this. It is crazy. So how do you navigate the political seasons when topics are hot and heavy in your practice, Rebecca?
Speaker 3 (00:51:51):
Well, I think if I’ve got clients coming in and the political season is affecting their mental health, then I would feel inclined to challenge them to go and speak to their legislators. I think once you have that opportunity to get to know your legislators and understand where they’re coming from, and if they’re decent people, then it might help you open up your mind just a little bit. I have a sign over my chair that says, you find comfort among those who agree with you, growth among those who don’t. And so my job is not to sit here and agree with you for everything, but my political viewpoint is completely irrelevant when we’re trying to help you navigate your mental health issues associated with political issues. So I just want for the clients to be able to work through what are their issues, what are they scared of? And let’s do some fact checking. Most of the things that are coming out about the scares for the current administration are not true. They’re fake news. And so I’m very fortunate that I live in an area where everybody is like 83% of the polls are very conservative. And so we don’t have those political concerns. We have concerns about what if the next administration takes us way back to open borders and transing children and things like that. But I just don’t have those issues and I’m grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (00:53:23):
Yeah. Kathleen, how do you navigate?
Speaker 2 (00:53:29):
I rarely have any clients get messed up with the political stuff. They’ll bring it up. But again, like Rebecca said, it’s Well, what is the evidence that supports it or how can you navigate it? What concerns you have you thought about this? Or it does give fodder to helping the client honestly critically think through the things that they seemingly hear via social media or news or whatever, and they come to the conclusion on their own, well, maybe I’m listening too much and I need to back off on what’s coming in. I mean, a great example of that, at least for me that I’m going to start using with those clients that bring things up, is right now at this recording, we’re having the World Cup Soccer here in Dallas, Houston, la, Boston, Miami, and I don’t know about you, but on my feeds, these Europeans and all the players and all the fans that are coming into this country have nothing but unbelievable things that they’re experiencing because of the people.
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When was the last time we heard that people are kind and good and all that? And the Brits and the Scots, they’re just amazed at how friendly we are and how compassionate we are and all this. We have forgotten that there’s more of us than what’s really being allowed to be portrayed on social media. And so that is a great example of how we’ve lost that filter, which is our own, not somebody else’s. So I think what Rebecca’s point pointed out was client’s very easily influenced by what they see and hear, but they rarely reflect on what they think decisions for themselves to view. Is this true for you? Is this not true for you? Or are you just allowing something to just be, you’re supposed to be this way?
Speaker 1 (00:55:58):
That’s a great segue to people seeking the best Christian counseling. Texas has to offer often need help navigating stressful seasons without losing hope. And so we are that place of hope and we can actually help them do some critical thinking. So I’m really excited that there is those opportunities for them. I also agree that when we would have groupthink if we all thought the same way, and that’s kind of what’s happening, but we’re going to kind of channel that for them to kind of think a little bit differently. What gives each of you hope for the future in our counseling field?
Speaker 3 (00:56:36):
I think having more counselors come out and say that they knew something was wrong, but they weren’t really sure how to articulate what was going on and to stand up for what’s right and recognize our founding papers. We have lost our sense of patriotism. And I am very prayerful that our 250th birthday is going to reignite that we need to remember who we are and where we came from and not worry so much about being secular. Everybody needs to have a purpose, and we need to have something higher than us to live for. And that’s what I love about this youngest generation that’s now coming up and their desire to seek the Lord and serve the Lord. The Bible is love. God’s word is love. And if you really want to make this country a loving place, then we need to go back to our roots and be with God. Right?
Speaker 2 (00:57:39):
Couldn’t say it better. I do think that the World Cup soccer thing has ignited many people to celebrate the 250th year of this great country. We are great. We’ve always been great. We’ve just been sucked into the vortex. And I think a lot of counselors, similar to medical doctors, we’re always the last on the rung, but counselors are starting to wake up and go, wait a minute. You mean I have a voice? You’ve had a voice. It’s like the Wizard of Oz. You’ve had a voice the whole time. You could go home all the anytime that you wanted to go home, Dorothy, all you had to do is click your heels and you were back in Kansas. That’s the same thing. That’s what’s happening here. Counselors are now seeing other counselors defend and they’re still standing.
Speaker 1 (00:58:35):
Yes, I agree.
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Go ahead. Is there anything, okay, so our profession continues striving, which I agree. And we get to be part of that movement. We’re the remnant. We’re watching it happen. We get to help push them and inspire them to do all those things. And that helps provide the best Christian counseling Texas has to offer through ongoing education, ethical practice, and compassionate service. And so I would also like to add to the idea too, that yes, God, the Lord Jesus is love, but he is also our disciplinarian. He was also the one who corrected. He was also the one that led us the way that we needed to go. He corrected us and brought us back. So it’s important because I think sometimes when I add that to that, there’s nothing wrong with exactly what you said, but I think many times we only hear that and then that gives that rites of passage for other things to happen. I’m like, oh, no, no, no. He flipped tables. He called broods of Viper, all the things. And so kept
Speaker 2 (00:59:35):
Going.
Speaker 1 (00:59:37):
And so there is a righteous anger that rises up in each of us. That’s what causes us to do what we’re doing. And so I’m really thankful to be part of such amazing movement. One piece of advice for counselors, Kathleen,
Speaker 2 (00:59:54):
Don’t believe everything you’re taught realize. You have a brain surround yourself with people who know more than you. Be the lowest rung on the totem pole at all times.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
One encouraging word for families. Rebecca,
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I know you said one encouraging word, so I’m going to give you the phrase and then we’ll pick a word. Mother Teresa said, if you want to change the world, go home and be with your family. So one encouraging word for families, family,
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Be
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
With them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yes. Right. And a takeaway from today’s discussion for me is the realization that even when we considered a hot topic or could make people feel uncomfortable, it’s in the growth of that iron sharpens iron. And if we’re in the place where we can do that with one another, we learn from one another better. It makes us better human beings. And then if we call ourselves followers of Christ, it helps us in our walk with the Lord so we can actually hear the things we need to hear. So that’s kind of me in a nutshell on that one, taking something away from today’s discussion. But I’m super proud to know both of you, and so I just wanted you to know that. So right now, Ms. Kathleen, tell everyone how they can find you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You could go to the association for mental health professionals.org. You can go to life tree counseling.com. You can also go to Practice mentors.us.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Okay, Rebecca.
Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
You can find me on my website@counselingcentermc.com or Love hills youth.com. You can also find me on grassroots therapists, and that’s my handle on x and gender trafficking.com is my other website.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Oh, wow. That was new for me, so I’m glad to hear an asset. And you can find Rhonda ves at illuminated pathways family therapy.net, and you can also find us on Facebook and on LinkedIn. Thank you so much for joining. As we’ve discussed Faith counseling, Texas legislation, professional growth and the future of mental health and the other areas of things, and we remain committed to providing the best Christian counseling Texas has to offer through excellence, integrity, and compassionate care. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. We hope this conversation has encouraged counselors, church leaders, and families across Texas. Be sure to subscribe with this channel here, illuminated Pathways channel on YouTube, and share this episode with a colleague or with a family member, or maybe other families that might be looking for counseling so they can understand what they should be looking for. Thank you so much for being with us today, Rebecca and Kathleen. Thank you for obliging. And look at that suite for baby. We have three of those around here.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Family time. Family time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
So hang on real quick before you let go. Okay. Hold on.